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General Chat / Re: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAY (PICS)
« on: December 11, 2019, 06:22:13 am »
Great photos @Brock

@Chap is that an enamel iron heart pin in your photo? Thanks

Hi @Matty123 yes, it’s from the Pronto Denim Carnival... now on the IH fan-vest  ;)

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GOOD ART HLYWD / Re: GOOD ART HLYWD - A Gallery
« on: December 09, 2019, 08:23:51 pm »
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Picked up something practical

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GOOD ART HLYWD / Re: GOOD ART HLYWD - A Gallery
« on: December 09, 2019, 08:20:34 pm »
Yeah very nice... suits you @RoxRocks86

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Bottoms / Re: IH-634S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
« on: December 08, 2019, 04:28:16 pm »
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634S is no high contrast fader... but I think that’s not too bad

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Bottoms / Re: IH-634S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
« on: December 08, 2019, 03:47:36 pm »
A year ago he posted up this:


"This year my 634 S turned 9 years old  They are alive and feel great!!!"


IH room for improvement:
1. In year 9-10, the pocket opening shrank
2. In year 9-10, the chainstitch went from a chainstitch to whatever the fuck else it is
3. In year 9-10 contrast fading went to low contrast fading
etc


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Made my day :D :D :D... thanks @DougNg

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Bottoms / Re: IH-634S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
« on: December 08, 2019, 03:46:33 pm »

Unknown washes, some nice 21 oz evo, Obenauf for the patch from time to time giving it the love that this wonderful pair of denim deserves



In all the palava, I missed these. Beauties!

Yes they are thanks @neph93  My intro to the IH world, I really love them. About 5 years old as far as I remember. A true friendship.

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Buying and Selling / Re: Heroes (Buying/ Selling/Trading)
« on: December 07, 2019, 06:53:54 pm »
Been a pleasure @Wlemon Thanks a lot

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Bottoms / Re: IH-634S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
« on: December 07, 2019, 06:48:09 pm »
@USSR thank you for the link. Happily you needn’t have bothered as my Latin, while nowhere near as good as my English, is a lot better than my Russian. I’m afraid the principle of ad hominem isn’t really applicable here. Ad hominem is an attack on the individual instead of the matter for debate. I’m not suggesting you are «silly» (that would be rude), I’m using the word «silly» to cover the fact that your arguments lack logic and substance, largely because they are rooted in subjective, personal preference, which is being presented as objective fact, but also because they are built on unsuitable data. In this case using a pair of well used, 10 year old jeans and extrapolating observations based on these to apply to the output of the entire brand.

To summarise, you have posted a vlog on YT criticising Iron Heart jeans. As an example you use exclusively a 10 year old pair of 634s that have clearly been worn. Your complaints are that the pocket bags are too narrow to put your hands in, they do not fade with high contrast, the cut is too wide below the knee, the veg tan leather patch has a short life span, and the chain stitching on the waistband does not proceed all the way to end of the waist band.

Two of the criticisms are invalid as they are suggesting the jeans at hand should be something they are not. The 21oz denim does not fade with high contrast nor can it. The 634 cut does not have a slim knee or tapered leg, nor can it. Criticising the jeans for these things is like criticising your dog for not being a cat, or rain for being wet. It has also been mentioned that Iron Heart produces jeans that are tapered below the knee and fade with high contrast. So extrapolation of the illogical argument to the entire brand is equally invalid.

The issue of the chain stitched waistband has been rendered moot by your own admission. Apparently this was not normal 10 years ago (I did not know this). Many premium brands now complete the  chainstitch. Iron Heart is amongst them. Comparing like-for-like your pair of 10 year old Iron Heart’s have similar production values as other 10 year jeans with regards to waistbands at least. New Iron Hearts have the same chainstitched waistband as other jeans. Regardless the waistband on your jeans is intact, so the stitching seems to have done a grand job. Ergo another invalid criticism.

Next we have the pocket bags. As has been stated the design of these is deliberate. We have also established it is not to your liking. That is per definition a subjective preference. It is perfectly logical to avoid paying money for something you do not like. It is illogical to call something a mistake because of intentional design.

Finally we have the short-lived patch. I’m afraid that is simply a result of improper maintenance. If you don’t oil veg-tanned  leather before applying moisture and heat, it will degrade and fail. Add to this the age of the jeans and this particular criticism is simply ridiculous (again, the logic of it, not you personally, that would be rude). As a parallel you can consider the wisdom of leaving a hammer out in the rain for ten years, then questioning its quality when it rusts.

So of the five criticisms you present the majority are invalid and one is based on personal subjective preference that is incorrectly elevated to objective fact. If it is your pleasure to make you tube videos based on these criticisms then that is entirely up to you. If however you choose to post it on this forum, on a thread where you have previously posted, praising the longevity of said jeans, then expect to be challenged. Or to put it another way, you will be called out on your bullshit.

I’m glad you have found a brand that satisfies you. Momotaro have a rich history and produce a quality product. I hope they bring you joy.

You're so eloquent @neph93  :-* :-* :-* (I just would have said f... off  ::))

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Bottoms / Re: IH-634S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
« on: December 07, 2019, 06:36:27 pm »
I think your video Doesn’t really have a point other than to troll Or stir the pot. Next

My thoughts thanks @Matty123

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General Chat / Re: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAY (PICS)
« on: December 06, 2019, 01:38:17 pm »
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Nikolaustag in Austria

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World Tours / Re: The Mad Red Motherf**ker World Tour.
« on: December 06, 2019, 01:32:47 pm »
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It'll happen......

Thanks ❤️  :-*

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World Tours / Re: The Mad Red Motherf**ker World Tour.
« on: December 06, 2019, 10:33:40 am »
BTW.  The boxes under the worktop are full of chocolates that we need to give away before Christmas......

Please feel free to add some to my Wescos  ;D

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Bottoms / Re: IH-634S - 21oz Selvedge Denim Straight Cut Jeans - Indigo
« on: December 06, 2019, 10:28:22 am »
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Unknown washes, some nice 21 oz evo, Obenauf for the patch from time to time giving it the love that this wonderful pair of denim deserves

👍👍👍

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What Are You Wearing Today (WAYWT) / Re: 2019 Edition - Iron Heart WAYWT
« on: December 06, 2019, 07:41:45 am »
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Footwear / Re: WESCO
« on: December 06, 2019, 06:26:03 am »
@chap , @Sam  took a photo for you because my quickie cellphone one does not do them justice....

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Thanks @Giles @Sam looking forward getting them on my feet

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