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My view.  UHR harder to stretch than traditional 21oz....
Cheers. So which do you think is likely to end up more spacious in the thigh out of the two 888 variants, in tag 36?  Assuming some cold rises and whatnot to minimise the shrinking on the UHR.  Or are we just splitting hairs and there's nothing much in it between the two?

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Bottoms / Re: IH-888-NT - 21/23oz indigo Selvedge DWC Jeans
« on: October 28, 2017, 10:10:22 pm »
In 36" waist jeans, 17" rear rise and 14" thigh (min, and this is post-shrink) are where it's at for those with big muscular legs and arse. By the time an alternative to the 1955S come out I probably won't be this big or strong anymore.   :D

(P.S. I'm wearing the 1955S right this very minute, but after 21 months the crotch is ready to blow.  To give the 1955S their dues, I've never got this many wears out of a single pair of jeans as an adult.  These days if I buy shorts I can expect to have annihilated the crotch before I've even washed them twice.   :(  And yes, I've stretched out the rise and thigh beyond 17" and 14" at this point, in the 1955S!  :D )

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Bottoms / Re: IH-888-NT - 21/23oz indigo Selvedge DWC Jeans
« on: October 28, 2017, 10:01:35 pm »
So I did some research and I see that shrink tests show nearly an inch loss in back rise. That’s good news.

Boo. This is not good news, it is bad news, my small-arsed friend.

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Got a question, lads...

In tag 36 these are 14.1" in the thighs, compared to 13.5" for the 888S.  But these'll probably shrink to 13.5 or 13.6 after washing.  But might stretch out again?  (the thighs will certainly come under strain as my thighs push the limits of 14" thigh jeans)

So the question is, will these stretch out more in the thigh than the S version in time?  Or will they be practically identical? Thanks

Denim will only stretch out as far as your body will stretch it.  It's not like you will stretch one pair out to a measurement significantly more than another unless your body changes significantly. 
 

Of course... I was just hoping of a comparison of the two fabrics involved, the UHR vs the classic IH weave. If the UHR can stretch back to where it started, it'll be bigger. Unless of course the 21oz stretches just as much...

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Got a question, lads...

In tag 36 these are 14.1" in the thighs, compared to 13.5" for the 888S.  But these'll probably shrink to 13.5 or 13.6 after washing.  But might stretch out again?  (the thighs will certainly come under strain as my thighs push the limits of 14" thigh jeans)

So the question is, will these stretch out more in the thigh than the S version in time?  Or will they be practically identical? Thanks

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What's the deal with the indigo arcuates by the way?  It can barely be seen in the pictures, giving a bland look to the pockets.  Standard arcuates are perfect...

I wasn't sold on the indigo arcuates until I saw these:  https://imgur.com/a/5Vqrt

Looks great when they come in imo!

Wow! They're quite the hidden gem as they appear disappointingly invisible at first but appear very nicely after heavy wear

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What's the deal with the indigo arcuates by the way?  It can barely be seen in the pictures, giving a bland look to the pockets.  Standard arcuates are perfect...

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Wow, well done on the dimensions for this! Awesome! I'd buy it immediately but I'm flying to China in a couple of days... hmm.... I'll have to google import duties to see if they can come meet me there  ;D

Whoever it was that wrote it was the best Iron Heart cut ever ... you're right!!

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It's all down to perception I guess, but I'm certainly amongst those with a big, meaty butt and thighs and these are roomy af. I can do high kicks in them and all (If I wanted to).  ???


I guess it comes down to people's opinions of what constitutes a big, meaty butt and thighs.  :D  When I was properly training I was far bigger in that region, and even now I don't fit these.   Imagine if I slimmed my tummy back down to 34" again  ???

Feel sympathy for my best mate, and former england badminton player, who had thighs only an inch smaller than his waist.   :D :D :D

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What are you people doing to your thighs to make them so big  :o

Initially, just badminton! Legs were huge before ever lifting a weight. Then I got into weightlifting, and had a 34" waist with 30" thighs.  This was however impractical and I was stuck wearing super baggy 38" crap with a belt.  The last two years I've been perpetually injured, and I gained some fat and lost some muscle.  Legs vary with weight, which fluctuates. Currently legs are 28", waist 35.5". 27.5/35 is where I'll try to stay indefinitely (probably ;))

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Awesome looking jeans, and from good old Pronto too.  Would buy these in a heartbeat if the hem in 36 was an inch smaller, otherwise they're boot only for me.  Otherwise, almost perfect!  (3/4 inch more rear rise wouldn't hurt ;) )

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But fuck, a lot of people seem to love it.

For good reason, it's a brilliant cut, especially for a large percentage of Western physiques.

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As I can't sleep (the joys of changing continents), I measured my 1955S jeans again, and the thighs have stretched out to 14.5 after 200+ wears (tag 36), suggesting these 888S should stretch a little too.  My inferior brand jeans I know I stretched out from 13.5 to 14 inches, and now look like they're painted on when I sit down. Damn you, racket sports and gym work....  :'(

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Trust someone to reply before I finished editing the darn post  :D

If you pull up the jeans a tad more, and wear the belt higher, then that'd keep the crotch at the same height as a lower rise pair.  If you went for an, ahem, "urban" style with them nearly falling down, it'd be a different experience.

With my 1955S even if I pull them up, they will slide down a couple of inches to where all jeans naturally sit on me, thus lowering the crotch and giving even more room for thighs.  Mine came with 14.2inch thighs, btw!

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So does anyone want to comment on if the extra rise cancels out the smaller thigh?

IMO, no it doesnt.  I feel like I need pretty much the same thigh measurement no matter what the rise.  It's the waist measurement that changes dependent on the rise, unless I'm missing something.

Rise in itself does not matter... however if the high rise makes the crotch of your jeans sit lower as a result, then yes, you could get away with smaller thigh measurements than usual.


And to the guys saying "please don't make the thighs bigger", lets consider that you can probably fit in a wide variety of Iron Heart jeans, and lads with larger thighs can wear perhaps two or three cuts.....  Have some sympathy  :(

.3 inches on the thigh, on this, or a variety of this cut, would be amazing. Even 0.2 inches...

Here's the current list of IH indigo jeans that in waist size 36 (within 1/2 inch) fit minimum 13.5inch thigh and 16.0inch rear rise, aside from this pair:
PIH10ANS -      13.8 thigh, 11.9 fr, 16.1 rr, 9.6 hem
IH-634S-XHS -  13.8 thigh, 11.5 fr, 16.5 rr, 9.5 hem
IH-1955S -       13.9 thigh, 13.4 fr, 16.6 rr, 8.8 hem

For comparison:
IH-888S -         13.5 thigh, 12.3 fr, 16.6 rr, 8.5 hem

In the lower leg, the 888 is the most slim and modern cut.  The 634S-XHS would be tremendous if not for the lack of comparable taper, and the difficulty getting that fabric tailored. 

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