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Re: Ship John
« Reply #345 on: March 19, 2020, 11:53:01 pm »
Great score @Boyo great fit too you must be stoked  8)

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #346 on: March 20, 2020, 01:08:55 am »
^^ Thanks fellas!

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #347 on: March 20, 2020, 02:30:53 pm »
I think Ship John's Willis jacket is one of the truly great pieces and there are many like it but SJ really nails this.  It looks great on everyone who puts it on, and that's saying something.  Lookin' really good, @Boyo.
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Re: Ship John
« Reply #348 on: March 21, 2020, 01:26:41 pm »
Hello all! Was luckily able to get in for the recent re-opening for orders with the Wills Jacket this last go around, but was wondering if those of you who do have the jacket may help out with some questions on sizing I have! Did you all happen to go true to size with the jacket? Did you find that the thickness of the fabric made the jacket feel "smaller" than its actual size? Lastly, did you find that the sleeves shorten in length over time with wear and bending of the arms? Looking at the measurements for the sizes, XS looked like it fits just spot on, but I don't know how much I should take into account the thickness of the fabric, which might make it feel snugger/tighter in actuality. Furthermore, if the sleeves do tend to shorten with wear, that might not bode well for me since the sleeve length is "just" about on point. Sorry about my first long winded post, but would appreciate any help!
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Re: Ship John
« Reply #349 on: March 21, 2020, 01:29:25 pm »
I don’t know if you have an IH shirt but my impression is that the Wills comes up a little large by comparison to IH. So if you take S in IH then an XS is a Wills would be perfect.

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #350 on: March 21, 2020, 02:18:50 pm »
I found the size chart to be accurate, and chose to go with my normal jacket size. I doubt the sleeves will shorten.. I think that type of stacking happens on a leather jacket or denim jacket where the sleeves start out too long in the first place and the stacking actually creates the correct sleeve length. 
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Re: Ship John
« Reply #351 on: March 21, 2020, 02:58:51 pm »
The sleeves will definitely shorten up with stacking.


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Re: Ship John
« Reply #352 on: March 21, 2020, 06:41:14 pm »
yep, the sleeves will shorten due to stacking. In my case by about almost an inch.
SJ runs a size larger than IH. The measurements given on the website are quite accurate. I said „quite“ since there are some variations due to the hand patterning going on there...

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #353 on: March 21, 2020, 08:34:05 pm »
@Stashanddash1 I'll chime in since I just went through this.  Mind the rambling :)

I bought the Kuroki denim Wills jacket last year in a size medium.  It fit great but the sleeves were really long.  I ended up cuffing them back, which looked pretty good on this jacket so I didn't mind.  After a wash, however, the sleeves shortened enough that I didn't have to cuff anymore.  They were still a little longer than I'd prefer, but they didn't look silly uncuffed.

So when the waxed Wills opened up for orders last week, I was really nervous about the sizing, for some of the reasons that you mentioned:  this fabric is thicker, the sleeves on the Kuroki were too long, etc.

My initial instinct was to size up.  This is definitely a jacket that I want to be able to wear over a flannel or sweater, since I already have waxed Townes shirts to wear over a T-shirt.

For comparison, my perfect P2P measurement for an Iron Heart jacket, like a 21oz 9526PJ, is about 22-22.5".  At this measurement, I can wear it over a T-shirt without the jacket appearing too balloony or over a sweater or UHF without being too tight.

So, because I think you should start with the P2P but sleeve length was also a concern, I was looking at these key measurements:  P2P, shoulder, and sleeve.

I'll add here that you have to keep in mind how SJ measures the sleeves compared to IH.  SJ measures straight across while IH measures from shoulder seam to center of the back under the collar, then back to the other shoulder seam.  I didn't fully grasp the width of the shoulder of the Kuroki and that's why the sleeve length surprised me as a 25" sleeve in IH stuff is usually perfect.

According to SJ's site, the Kuroki denim in medium had these measurements:

  • P2P:  22"
  • Shoulder:  18.75"
  • Sleeve:  25"

And the waxed Wills in medium had these measurements:

  • P2P:  22"
  • Shoulder:  18.75"
  • Sleeve:  24.75"

As you can see, the waxed Wills had a sleeve that was 0.25" shorter than the Kuroki in the same size, which is great because the Kuroki's sleeves were a bit long.  Still, I was concerned about the thickness of the material so I wrote SJ to see what they would suggest.

Between the time that I wrote SJ and they responded, I took a closer look at the measurements for a waxed Wills in a large (one size up):

  • P2P:  23"
  • Shoulder:  19.25"
  • Sleeve:  25.25"

I realized that while the additional inch in the P2P would give me a little more room for layering, the shoulder would be 0.5" broader and the sleeves would be 0.25" longer compared to the medium Kuroki jacket, whose pre-wash sleeves were too long.  And I don't plan on washing the waxed Wills ;)

So when Ellen from SJ replied, and suggested that I stick with the same size on the waxed Wills, on account of how well the Kuroki jacket fit after a wash and how well my IH-9526PJ with similar measurements fits, I counted it as affirmation of my decision :)

I hope that helps some!
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Re: Ship John
« Reply #354 on: March 22, 2020, 12:10:44 am »
Thank you all very much for the incredibly helpful advice and feedback! All of the information provided are things for me to take into account. The Wills Jacket in XS literally has all the perfect measurements except for the potential variance of the sleeve length stacking with wear, and perhaps to also consider, the thickness of fabric, so I might contemplate on the long version, which would add a little more length on the sleeves. I have a week to decide and let them know if I would like to change up my order a bit. Hope that I can get the sizing right, since I know it can be difficult to get an order in for the jacket.

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #355 on: March 22, 2020, 12:22:51 am »
From my experience the waxed sleeves shorten about an inch after wear, same as Brock. Other than that, I'm quite impressed by how everything I've ordered matches the size chart almost exactly. As I've said before, the combination of Iron Heart and Ship John is about as rugged and durable as it gets. A match made in heaven.

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #356 on: May 31, 2020, 12:52:59 am »
Gotta give a shout out to Ship John after some excellent customer service. I ordered two of their masks and a hat from them last week. Three masks showed up. I sent an email saying I’d be happy to send back or pay for the third mask, and to let them know about the hat. They said to keep the mask as a spare, and sent the hat.
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Very nice of them! My wife and I are both first responders, hence the note.

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #357 on: May 31, 2020, 12:56:14 am »
That's awesome @neversummer ! I have a few different masks but my chambray mask from Mike fits my fat head the best. Stay safe out there.

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #358 on: June 01, 2020, 01:24:07 pm »
 Does anybody have a pair of Guthrie work jeans in indigo denim ?
 I‘d like to see some fade pics and experience with shrinking etc.
 Thank you

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Re: Ship John
« Reply #359 on: June 01, 2020, 09:18:03 pm »
Does anybody have a pair of Guthrie work jeans in indigo denim ?
 I‘d like to see some fade pics and experience with shrinking etc.
 Thank you

My friend has a pair that he's been doing yardwork and remodeling his house in. I'll ask him for you.