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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2019, 04:55:26 pm »
Just some ideas passing by for the next iteration of this jacket:

- Hidden hoodie for rain
- Removable zipped liner for extra warmth

 

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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2019, 09:18:20 pm »
Just some ideas passing by for the next iteration of this jacket:

- Hidden hoodie for rain
- Removable zipped liner for extra warmth

Edit: ignore my comment as I posted in the wrong thread  :P
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2019, 12:26:01 am »
I have the IHJ-08 which is practically the same jacket so I can say that the insulated hood is pretty good. BUT, adding a hood and a liner and I cant imagine this thing being under a grand. For that much you might as well buy the big primaloft parka OR buy this and the IHJ-80.


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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2019, 07:43:05 am »
Sensible talk...
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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2019, 09:08:16 am »
I have the IHJ-08 which is practically the same jacket so I can say that the insulated hood is pretty good. BUT, adding a hood and a liner and I cant imagine this thing being under a grand. For that much you might as well buy the big primaloft parka OR buy this and the IHJ-80.


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@Anesthetist @Giles

Both the IHJ-75 (USD1100) and the IHJ-80 (USD 650) are heavier jackets than this jacket (USD 600). They're also made in a different style. Longer for example since they're parkas. You might say that adding a removable liner will increase the weight on the IHJ-79 as well - Yes but it'll be removable after all.

Even if so, the removable liner is just an idea - as in mathematics, not a necessary condition but rather a sufficient condition - to perfect the jacket even more. Customers of IH (want to) spend 1.5k on a leather shirt and I can see why as it is absolutely beautiful. When it comes down to it however, functional goes over beautiful and ideally, for IH, the existence of both would be the best. Therefore, paying 1k for a jacket that could meet all the expectations isn't the problem in my opinion - that is if the removable lining even costs that much to begin with. Would you rather for example pay USD 1000 for a smartphone that has the best hardware and software or pay USD 1000 for the smartphone with the best hardware and pay another USD 1000 for the one with the best software? 

As for the removable/ hidden hoodie, I'd say it wouldn't add much to the price. The IHJ-08 sold for USD 500. Even if adding a removable/ hidden hoodie on the IHJ-79 cost USD 100 more, it'd be absolutely worth it and not much of a sacrifice to make. Someone willing to buy this kind of a jacket for USD 600 could pay USD 100 more for a more complete jacket with more functionality I'd say. That is, once again, if the additional hoodie even costs an additional USD 100. After all, the only "alternatives" to this jacket are the IHJ-75 (USD1100) and the IHJ-80 (USD 650) anyway...

The current state of this jacket is rather incomplete to me. It's on its way to be the lightest, most functional jacket but it's not there yet. Someone with a jacket like this would like to travel (light) and still be warm and dry. I'm assuming that's the point. The added hidden hoodie would only contribute to that idea in my opinion.   
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2019, 12:02:44 pm »
The IHJ-08 sold for $500 5-6 or so years ago. I very much doubt it could be produced for the same price now. Making a vest liner out of primaloft or thinsulate costs almost as much as another jacket.

Cost aside, I still think all this plussing defeats the original purpose of the coat which is a warm but lightweight layering piece.


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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2019, 01:10:42 pm »
The IHJ-08 sold for $500 5-6 or so years ago. I very much doubt it could be produced for the same price now. Making a vest liner out of primaloft or thinsulate costs almost as much as another jacket.

Cost aside, I still think all this plussing defeats the original purpose of the coat which is a warm but lightweight layering piece.


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The plussing is hidden or removable though. The hidden hoodie wouldn't affect the purpose of the jacket and neither would the removable lining. In fact, they'd contribute to the purpose of the jacket making it even more functional than it already is. By the way, the lining could be like a blanket lining to cut down the cost. It doesn't have to be primaloft or thinsulate.

Worst case, the hoodie and lining could be sold separately. That'd allow for the jacket to maintain the same price. Only difference would be that people that want the hoodie or lining could additionally purchase and upgrade their jackets if needed. Better to have more options than not. Especially when it's removable or hidden.
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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2019, 01:14:05 pm »
Haraki suggested releasing a jacket with an optional lining a few years ago.  I said "and what the fuck are you going to do with a load of linings that you have not sold at the end of the year?"  He changed his mind.....
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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2019, 01:20:16 pm »
Haraki suggested releasing a jacket with an optional lining a few years ago.  I said "and what the fuck are you going to do with a load of linings that you have not sold at the end of the year?"  He changed his mind.....

But @Giles, do you believe that would still be the case if more than just one jacket (or all) were produced with the same way of adding/ removing a lining? I think with the right pattern tweaking, that is possible to do. Because then you could produce a limited amount of linings a year, say 50 for example and people could upgrade any Iron Heart jacket they own with that lining.

Some people would probably buy even more than one just to have the convenience of not switching linings between jackets. Kind of like boxers: You can have just one and keep washing it everyday or own seven, one for each day.

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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2019, 01:47:19 pm »
We are talking to H about releasing a line of extra special, super limited, very expensive stuff.  We'll put this in the mix.....
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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2019, 01:51:57 pm »
We are talking to H about releasing a line of extra special, super limited, very expensive stuff.  We'll put this in the mix.....

Oh-oh  ???

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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2019, 01:54:24 am »
@cityofdelusion  Go check out Ten C, friend...
WTB:

IHM-27-OLV (L)
IHJ-61 (Khaki, XL)
IHV-32-IND (L)

IHSH-119 (Grey XL)
IHSH-133 (XL)
IHSH-213 (L)
IHSH-222 (XL)

IHSH-138 (Green XL)
IHSH-140 (XL)
IHSH-195-RED (XXL)
IHSH-215 (XL)

IH-711 (Dark Khaki/Navy 34 or 36)
IH-715 (Olive 34)
IH-716 (34 or 36)

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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2019, 10:41:02 am »
@cityofdelusion  Go check out Ten C, friend...

Thanks for the recommendation. I checked it out shortly out of curiosity but I'm afraid it didn't catch my interest at all... I don't purchase anything besides Iron Heart products 99% of the time anyway

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Re: IHJ-79-BLK - Primaloft® Gold Quilted Riders Jacket - Black
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2019, 10:48:12 am »
We are talking to H about releasing a line of extra special, super limited, very expensive stuff.  We'll put this in the mix.....

Can you tease us about what it’ll be? Tops/bottoms? Denim, hide or technical stuff?

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2019, 12:38:35 am »
No.  Well yes actually, could be all or none of what you mention :) :)
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