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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #120 on: October 11, 2018, 01:45:25 am »
Y'all seem pretty invested for folks who hate the game.

Live and let live.

Or go tell the soccer thread their game sucks if that's your thing.
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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2018, 01:46:43 am »
baseball seems even more sedate.
It is very sedate.  Perhaps George Carlin can help with assessing the game

Funny, but that guy did so much blow I bet he couldn’t sit still long enough to finish a shit.

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #122 on: October 11, 2018, 01:48:41 am »
Y'all seem pretty invested for folks who hate the game.

Live and let live.

Or go tell the soccer thread their game sucks if that's your thing.

Right.

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #123 on: October 11, 2018, 01:49:19 am »
It was not at all boring @Matty123


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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #124 on: October 11, 2018, 06:14:27 am »
Though with the Sox shambles of a bullpen they'd need a miracle to get by Houston
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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #125 on: October 11, 2018, 06:20:51 am »
Honest question from a Euro-idiot, how does baseball do as a TV sport?
Youtube has a game summary the day after  games if you want to stick your foot in the water @neph93

Japanese seem passionate about baseball and the  players that come to the States have a disciplined approach to hitting that is formidable.
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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #126 on: October 11, 2018, 07:18:41 am »
Y'all seem pretty invested for folks who hate the game.

Live and let live.

Or go tell the soccer thread their game sucks if that's your thing.

I was very invested in baseball as a player.  Loved playing it just cant watch it.  Just our opinions guys, we can state them here.  Neph asked a question and we chimed in...and trust me, as an american who loves soccer I constantly hear from fellow Americans how they hate it.  No big thing. 

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #127 on: October 11, 2018, 08:52:00 am »
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Thanks for the answers guys. In all seriousness baseball is the one major American sport that I have very little knowledge about, or experience with. I can get coverage of the MLB at home for free now and fancy doing as @steelworker suggests and dipping my toes.

There are obvious parallels with cricket in terms of form, but it sounds like there are parallels as a spectator sport also, both when it comes to live and TV viewing. Cricket must be incomprehensible and tedious for people who don't understand whats going on in terms of the intense battle between batsman and bowler, the tactics of the fielding team, and the skills involves on all parts. Baseball has all of that too I'd imagine and requires the same amount of knowledge.

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #128 on: October 11, 2018, 01:20:32 pm »
I think it would probably be a challenge to become a fan of baseball as an adult, but when you're steeped in it as part of your cultural background it's a great game with more magic to it than any of the other sports. Lots of strange things happen, there is great history, and every time you watch you're likely to see something that has never happened or only happened a few times over hundreds of thousands of games (unassisted triple plays, perfect games, and so forth).
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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #129 on: October 11, 2018, 01:23:56 pm »
I think it would probably be a challenge to become a fan of baseball as an adult, but when you're steeped in it as part of your cultural background it's a great game with more magic to it than any of the other sports. Lots of strange things happen, there is great history, and every time you watch you're likely to see something that has never happened or only happened a few times over hundreds of thousands of games (unassisted triple plays, perfect games, and so forth).

It's those elements of history and culture that I find appealing as well as it being similar to cricket in as far as the statistics are interesting. I agree that it would be a little forced/artificial to develop an interest for it on a whim, but I find it a fascinating part of your sporting culture.

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #130 on: October 11, 2018, 01:29:32 pm »
You should check out a game live for sure. But there is so much to know, so many rules, traditions, historical context, and so forth, that it is a lot to get your head around in terms of the context that enriches the game for baseball lovers.

And yes, for those of us who love numbers, statistics are king in baseball, but they always battle instinct in terms of strategy. Sabermetrics was born there to temper the effects of instinct, and those analytical methods have since spread to American football and other sports as well. However, risk aversion still wins, especially in football strategy, where teams go against the numbers routinely (e.g., punting on fourth down excessively).
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« Reply #131 on: October 11, 2018, 01:32:10 pm »
However, risk aversion still wins, especially in football strategy, where teams go against the numbers routinely (e.g., punting on fourth down excessively).

I was actually reading something in The Guardian about how that has changed in the NFL this season. How the new generation of young QB's are going for more passes and less rushing yards and how anything goes on 4th downs now.

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #132 on: October 11, 2018, 03:21:35 pm »
However, risk aversion still wins, especially in football strategy, where teams go against the numbers routinely (e.g., punting on fourth down excessively).

I was actually reading something in The Guardian about how that has changed in the NFL this season. How the new generation of young QB's are going for more passes and less rushing yards and how anything goes on 4th downs now.

There's a great book called "Scorecasting" (IIRC) that takes an economic view (e., Applying regression analysis) of sports and finds that much of the conventional wisdom in various sports (punt on 4th down, freeze the kicker, "defense wins championships") doesn't make sense. But we are more fearful of loss and getting harangued for it than we are focused on winning, so this destructive, "safe" tendency (also covered in 'Thinking Fast, Thinking Slow") hampers how effective strategies are. If things were done by the numbers in football, punts would occur only in limited circumstances. But risk aversion plagues the fans as much as the strategists, and the teams suffer as a result. I believe baseball is less plagued by this, but even so it is still quite common--Billy Beane helped managers get away from some of this stuff and go by the numbers to a greater degree than some other sports. The "gut" is comfortable, but unreliable.

Beyond sports, risk aversion plagues us as a species in many more ways.
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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #133 on: October 11, 2018, 03:22:02 pm »
Well said @mclaincausey

@neph93 I’m a passionate baseball fan. Thank you for stirring the pot.

I once participated in a game with an unassisted triple play. 11 years old. I was playing short stop. A man
On first  and second base. The batter hit a line drive to second base for
The first out. The runner on first was tagged out running to second and the second baseman who caught the ball ran and tagged second base as the runner on second  base had been advancing to third. Inning over  It
Unassisted triple play

Ruben you should go on YouTube and look up on assisted triple play

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Re: MLB (Baseball)
« Reply #134 on: October 11, 2018, 03:27:00 pm »
Well said @mclaincausey

@neph93 I’m a passionate baseball fan. Thank you for stirring the pot.

I once participated in a game with an unassisted triple play. 11 years old. I was playing short stop. A man
On first  and second base. The batter hit a line drive to second base for
The first out. The runner on first was tagged out running to second and the second baseman who caught the ball ran and tagged second base as the runner on second  base had been advancing to third. Inning over  It
Unassisted triple play

Ruben you should go on YouTube and look up on assisted triple play

That is super cool!!
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