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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9420 on: December 10, 2019, 09:21:39 pm »
I'd love a black denim work shirt. I was waiting on an IHSH-95 restock and was quite disappointed when it went extinct.

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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9421 on: December 10, 2019, 09:30:05 pm »
IH are working on it. There have been some difficulties but getting one in as part of the line up is a priority.

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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9422 on: December 11, 2019, 01:52:07 am »
A couple of random-ish thoughts and questions:

some pages back, there was a brief discussion about a new jeans cut. Is this at all serious? IMO, there's definitely room for another cut - an IH version of a lifters cut. Start w/ a 634; keep the mid rise, waist and hips; increase the thighs; taper slightly from knee to hem like the 888. Don't make the taper so drastic like some other brands are currently doing. Call it the 999 or 444 or whatever tickles Haraki-san's nether region, I don't care, just make it.

Regardless of the rise, my jeans always ride just below my hip bones, unless it's really low rise then the waist rides even lower. High rise cuts like the 888 just end of giving me diaper butt. And the thighs aren't big enough for the waist size I need.

How about a Work Jacket in hickory stripe? Black or indigo stripe? I saw one on-line somewhere recently that looked really good, and thought IH could make a great version. The one I saw also had one exterior chest patch pocket w/ a flap. That might mess up the simplicity of the Work Jacket, but if done properly it could be a nice addition. Depending on the weight of hickory stripe available, maybe add a wind-resistant lining?

And this one is totally going out on limb, just me alone in my head... a modified Type II w/ hand warmer pockets? Lengthen the body slightly, like the modified Type III, and raise the chest pockets a bit to accommodate. And for F's sake, make the chest pockets big enough to be useful. One thing I can't stand about anybody's Type III (yes, I mean Type III, not Type II) is the useless tiny chest pockets. I have a SExIH22 Modified Type III that I adore, but can't stand the chest pockets.

Also, I want to point out that a couple of years ago I suggested flannel lined jeans for those in colder climates. The Brethren immediately shut me down, saying it would be such a waist of flannel, and to just wear long johns when needed. Now it's been mentioned again recently and received akin to the Wheel or Sliced Bread. I find trends amusing.

Thx for lending me an ear.  ;)

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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9423 on: December 11, 2019, 06:13:17 am »
Out of utter despair at the absence of ancient awesomeness, we resorted to extreme measures to conjure another incarnation of a classic by using the old hemming scraps we were keeping for posterity and lack of anything else to do with em.

Giles says he has loads of scraps

Giles says the old coasters were made by an IHJP representative

IHUK has loads of sewing machines

Someone needs to create some patchwork coasters and sell sell sell

It’s probably not that easy to undo all the chainstitches lol but it’s fun to brainstorm
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9424 on: December 11, 2019, 07:53:23 am »
Won't happen, we have better stuff to do, which is probably why Haraki ignores me whenever I ask, so I've stopped because it was obviously beginning to irritate him...
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9425 on: December 11, 2019, 09:11:46 am »
All these damn people that want to give you money for things, so irritating #firstworldproblem #nevermind
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9426 on: December 11, 2019, 09:39:21 am »
Adam,  The effort and time it goes into making these is not insignificant.  Whilst it would be great to make everything that everyone wants, we have to use our resources in what we think is the wisest way possible.  Currently, neither Japan or IHUK have the spare resources to make these, apart from the fact that we (IHUK) are not sufficiently skilled to make anything from scratch that would be worthy of the Iron Heart name.
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9427 on: December 11, 2019, 09:55:16 am »
A couple of random-ish thoughts and questions:
Thanks for the thoughts/ideas.

We have no immediate plans for a new cut at the moment.  All the cuts, with the exception of the 461, sell really well and trying to keep all those going with the multitude of different types of denim is quite a balancing act.  Every new cut/denim requires us to invest the best part of USD15,000 to get the first run on the shelves.  We don't have limitless cash or limitless storage space, so we'd likely have to drop something we already make to make room for something else.  I can't think of a candidate to get rid of at the moment.  As you say, trends change, so we may find that an existing cut falls off in popularity, which may give us the wiggle-room to experiment with a new cut. 

I'd love to do a work jacket and will give it some thought, historically the ones we have made have not sold well, but that is probably because the cuts were significantly less than ideal :-)

I'm with you on the thinking that the chest pockets on type III's are on the small size, I'm just not sure that can be fixed in an aesthetically pleasing manner given the construction constraints.  This is an XL, and even on this size, we don't have much scope to widen the opening.

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People can talk about blanket lined jeans, but I won't be engaging anytime soon :-)
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9428 on: December 11, 2019, 10:17:02 am »
Further to my comments above, your post got us discussing about things we have talked about, but never followed through with.

So, we have decided to sample the IH-777S-21 with a shorter inseam length, but with the same cuff opening as the current version, this will allow us to offer different inseam lengths with the same cuff opening, in essentially the same cut.  This should work well for shorter-legged folk who don't want to lose taper when their jeans are hemmed....
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9429 on: December 11, 2019, 11:04:23 am »

People can talk about blanket lined jeans, but I won't be engaging anytime soon :-)

This has been talked about and asked for, for as long as I’ve been around here in one form or another. UHF lined, blanket lined, otherwise insulated jeans. I personally cannot understand the fascinastion but it seems to inspire others.

If it is a matter of warmth then nothing will ever work as well as having woolen long johns under your jeans. The combination would be a far superior a solution to lined jeans in every way.


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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9430 on: December 11, 2019, 04:06:47 pm »
My comment re: pocket size was more related to a Type II. I get that Type III pockets are somewhat restricted by size. Type II pockets may have a bit more wiggle room. TSG's Type II has great, large pockets.

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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9431 on: December 11, 2019, 04:11:53 pm »
Re: taper, I no pattern cutter so I don't know, but is it possible to taper from the knee to an inseam length of 32", and then straight to 36"? Then regardless of hemmed inseam length the hem width would be consistent. Don't know if it's possible or not. I can see that might look really odd for for long inseam lengths.

Offering 2 different lengths with the same profile and hem width would please a lot of fellas, as this has been brought up more than once over the years.

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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9432 on: December 11, 2019, 04:17:20 pm »
Re: taper, I no pattern cutter so I don't know, but is it possible to taper from the knee to an inseam length of 32", and then straight to 36"?
Not if you want to use selvedge denim, want a flattering cut and preserve the selvedge ID on the outseam.

And re: the Type III/type II confusion.  Sorry, I cant read :-).  Let me have a think about the Type II pocket size....
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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9433 on: December 11, 2019, 04:17:22 pm »
Another question - why do western UHF's have a button at the collar instead of a snap? All of the other IH westerns I have in other fabrics have a snap at the collar. The UHF fabric is so thick that's it's nearly if entirely not possible to button it.

I only use the top button/snap to put the shirt on a hanger. I can't button/snap the top fastener on IH westerns anyway, as the neck measurement is too small for me. I need a XXL in neck, shoulder and chest measurements, and an XL in body & sleeve length, waist and opening measurements.

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Re: Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
« Reply #9434 on: December 11, 2019, 04:18:44 pm »
If you had a beard you would understand
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