Background to this board
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As far as I've seen you've been a model forum participant @chrisjohnnick and I think you're far overestimating your balance of sales thread to other participation.
100% agree
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I think of your an old timer and you get frustrated with the questions of newbies then it might be time to reevaluate why you’re here. It’s a little eye roll inducing to hear the same questions again and again but try to remember how frustrating it is to not even know what size pants you wear then drop $350 on pants that might not even fit.
Maybe there’s a way for all new members upon registering to receive a welcome message with some basic etiquette.
Sorry if this has been mentioned, I didn’t read any of this thread.
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New forum members do get an email (from me), upon sign-up, giving them some basic suggestions and links to useful stuff. But as Kiya said to me years ago when I was expressing my frustration at the product descriptions and bullets were not being read, "Giles, they look at the pretty pictures, not the words"…...So the email probably does not get read.......
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i just wish ya’ll would have included pics so i could have reposted them with saucy response/s.
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Oh, on a side note though, it really grinds my gears when people come along thinking they can interfere with the sect willy nilly.
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I think of your an old timer and you get frustrated with the questions of newbies then it might be time to reevaluate why you’re here.
I agree with this… I remember @rocket saying something once about established, late stage SoMe having these issues. You reach a stage where the needs of different users are varied and sometimes conflicting. Newbie questions versus old time "owners". It is important to remember that all have a right to be here.
If, as an old timer, your frustration gets too much then it is time to take a step back and have a think about things. A little break does wonders.
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New forum members do get an email (from me), upon sign-up, giving them some basic suggestions and links to useful stuff. But as Kiya said to me years ago when I was expressing my frustration at the product descriptions and bullets were not being read, "Giles, they look at the pretty pictures, not the words"…...So the email probably does not get read.......
To be honest, when I registered and received this email, I thought it’s the typical automatical email with the board rules and skipped it…
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Nobody reads anymore. That's not an attack on anyone, but our neuroplastic minds have become so acclimated to querying and retrieving data on-demand, and to instant gratification, and our attention spans have been whittled down so much by constant exposure to way too much information, that taking time to read things is just not in the cards for most people anymore. I think it's important to MAKE the time to read things to protect our ability to focus, and I've resolved to do that more. For me, that means books though, so I will probably continue to ignore most things
Think about it: when installing software or signing up for a service that isn't something substantial like a mortgage, when was the last time you read terms and conditions instead of scrolling down past a blur of text to click "Accept"? You could have signed away your firstborn for all you know. I think the person who reads such things is quite rare, so this is an uphill battle.
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As far as I've seen you've been a model forum participant @chrisjohnnick and I think you're far overestimating your balance of sales thread to other participation.
just looked at my stats and it looks like you're right ha. I guess it's just because I check to the forum daily, but usually just check the sales page most of the time. (my saved browser tab for the forum just goes straight to the Buying and Selling page). From there I usually check the Unread section and see if anything is jumping out to me. I'm trying to be more active in general. I'm also that guy that gets a text message and responds a couple days later.
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I’ve been here a very long time and I’m rarely annoyed by noob questions. Additionally, I think the forum members and moderators are exceptionally polite and helpful in answering questions from the new members or at least pointing them in the right direction.
In contrast, I’m often annoyed when people in the Ironheart Facebook group repeatedly complain about how IH sizing differs from that of their favorite brand or why IH doesn’t make a size 10XL.
The thing that agitates me the most on the forum is when extremely positive feedback is given on a fit that is objectively poor. I tend to give constructive criticism only when it’s explicitly requested and keep my mouth shut otherwise. I’m not sure what’s the best way to help newcomers improve their fits without coming across as insulting. But I don’t think telling them something looks great when there is obvious room for improvement is a helpful tactic.
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In contrast, I’m often annoyed when people in the Ironheart Facebook group repeatedly complain about how IH sizing differs from that of their favorite brand or why IH doesn’t make a size 10XL.
This is why I created this thread:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16766.0
So that I can point people to it, and not repeat myself ad nauseum…..
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Could a top 10 or top 5 FAQ's list be compiled? Each FAQ topic could have a basic explanation with link to a relevant forum thread with more in depth discussion on that topic.
This FAQ list could be made into a table format for easy consumption for new forum members.
Links to the FAQ table or thread could be mailed to the new forum members on sign up along with the welcome message.Stick the FAQ table or the link to it somewhere very obvious on the homepage.
The FAQ table can be updated / amended as the basic questions being asked evolve.
I write a lot of technical work instructions and 9 x out of 10 the audience only ever go to the summary table at the back of the document.
These are of course just suggestions for consideration.
@mclaincausey You had a very good point that generally people can be quite lazy and cant be bothered looking for the info, even if it is delivered straight to them.
It is a habit people have picked up to just ask the question that concerns them, they don't care if they get flamed, as someone on the thread will give them the answer they are looking for. Personally I don't mind this as it evident on pretty much all forums.
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The thing that agitates me the most on the forum is when extremely positive feedback is given on a fit that is objectively poor. I tend to give constructive criticism only when it’s explicitly requested and keep my mouth shut otherwise. I’m not sure what’s the best way to help newcomers improve their fits without coming across as insulting. But I don’t think telling them something looks great when there is obvious room for improvement is a helpful tactic.
you are absolutly right DrPat, I often wonder why there is no criticism and objectivity when it comes to talk about the fit on someone.
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The thing that agitates me the most on the forum is when extremely positive feedback is given on a fit that is objectively poor. I tend to give constructive criticism only when it’s explicitly requested and keep my mouth shut otherwise. I’m not sure what’s the best way to help newcomers improve their fits without coming across as insulting. But I don’t think telling them something looks great when there is obvious room for improvement is a helpful tactic.
you are absolutly right DrPat, I often wonder why there is no criticism and objectivity when it comes to talk about the fit on someone.
I think the main issue with that is that what is considered a good fit is so subjective.
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I think the main issue with that is that what is considered a good fit is so subjective.
There is a substantial amount of objectivity in what constitutes well fitting clothes. Even after accounting for subjectivity in terms a personal look, style, or preference, it’s still possible that something just doesn’t look good and that a different size or cut would be more appealing. Or perhaps a certain brand just doesn’t work for a certain body type (for example me and Flat Head shirts).